tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post867907481819467008..comments2023-10-08T08:54:40.079-04:00Comments on LARP Ohio: OOG money for IG itemsTimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17437406306299325645noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-22119575240035065242012-04-06T22:38:12.558-04:002012-04-06T22:38:12.558-04:00"Every [dying] game has moved toward a RMT bu..."Every [dying] game has moved toward a RMT business model."<br /><br />FYP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-19826477338728512012012-03-27T23:23:45.178-04:002012-03-27T23:23:45.178-04:00@Sarah: So businesses are no longer allowed to use...@Sarah: So businesses are no longer allowed to use successful models to make money? None of these companies including NERO, are "sucking money from their player base". They do it because they know people will buy it. At the end of the day, NERO is a business, and Joe is trying to make money like any other gaming company. Do I care random_player_23876 is running around with multiple 5 effect items he bought? I could care less. NERO is so saturated with MIs this will have zero impact on the game.Russhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14346099368899079004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-81195724389841491832012-03-26T13:10:32.352-04:002012-03-26T13:10:32.352-04:00Yeah, I wont be participating or volunteering my t...Yeah, I wont be participating or volunteering my time if it turns to that.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17408608791340085819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-22233627916427337122012-03-26T12:41:04.974-04:002012-03-26T12:41:04.974-04:00Much like D&D 4th Edition, NERO has now embrac...Much like D&D 4th Edition, NERO has now embraced the "LARPing as MMO" model, where advancement is quick but meaningless, and it will now be easier to throw more money into a character ("micro-transactions") than it is to actually play the game long-term to earn goals and objectives to advance, all platitudes to the contrary. (I am aware of at least one chapter that, in the face of National pricing guidelines, has already passed word of mouth that they will UNDERCUT ANY PRICE for items bought in this fashion.)<br /><br />My prediction for what comes next? Free to play, must pay on a sliding scale for XP; the higher the level, the more expensive your blanket cost. They'll make a fortune... and drive away a LOT of classic gamers in the process.Bill Holmblad, Jr.http://www.facebook.com/billholmbladjrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-966167520957725172012-03-26T12:07:32.112-04:002012-03-26T12:07:32.112-04:00This is a case to me of saying that because doing ...This is a case to me of saying that because doing something wrong is something everyone can now do, it was OK for me to do it first.<br /><br />It also pretty much throws up NERO's collective hands on balance and says "screw it, give us money, we give up" whether a chapter wants to or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-26007695204101836442012-03-25T10:36:50.885-04:002012-03-25T10:36:50.885-04:00@Russ, Really? Youre going with the "Big corp...@Russ, Really? Youre going with the "Big corporations who only want to suck money from their player base do it.. so why shouldnt we?" approach? -.- failsauce. Nero should be better than that. As a player, I expect better than that.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17408608791340085819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-28533684597455236012012-03-24T18:45:27.202-04:002012-03-24T18:45:27.202-04:00As a Chapter Owner, I was quite confused when I st...As a Chapter Owner, I was quite confused when I started seeing posts that seemed to indicate that I could sell magic items.Corey (Hedgehog)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16960092864089394444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-13422714836802262392012-03-22T17:27:35.559-04:002012-03-22T17:27:35.559-04:00Doesn't bother me at all. Every game (WoW, LoL...Doesn't bother me at all. Every game (WoW, LoL, ect) has moved towards a RMT business model.Russhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14346099368899079004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-69845421529856734072012-03-22T11:13:20.312-04:002012-03-22T11:13:20.312-04:00I totally agree with Anonymous regarding donations...I totally agree with Anonymous regarding donations vs. purchase.<br /><br />Noah, it's worthwhile if you don't travel. Could always do that it costs more money for an UNR item, or you have to pay a small fee to have it travel. Or simply buy an item from that chapter. I think the idea behind keeping it LCO is that it is much easier to track and those chapters will be able to keep track them easily, and if they don't want to participate, they won't have to and won't be affected by it. <br /><br />The most obvious thing to me, from reading the blog and the national forum (still waiting for approval to post, lol, I finally resubmitted a thing to get access (yesterday) after 2 months) is that there are very few people behind the idea of it, especially in its current state, and it seems like there needs to be some continued, significant discussion before we move forward with it. I wish Joe would take it down until it is properly reviewed and discussed, and put in a more official format. It's obvious a lot of the possibilities weren't thought of (not able to steal them? can't leave it behind when you die?)...<br /><br /><br /><br />JennAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-77248198088319083512012-03-22T10:23:16.380-04:002012-03-22T10:23:16.380-04:00LCO items are never the answer, IMO. They just ser...LCO items are never the answer, IMO. They just serve to isolate the chapter that issues them. The local players don't want to leave, because they'll have less power, and travelers don't want to go there because the locals have an unfair advantage.<br /><br />If it's worth doing, it's worth being unrestricted.omegacowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10332142701713064178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-30498719466753459832012-03-22T09:22:51.286-04:002012-03-22T09:22:51.286-04:00The sad thing about the draft policy is that it...The sad thing about the draft policy is that it's a net loss for chapters for cash or purchased donations when compared to what the rules committe proposed. A decent item under the rules committee proposal would cost 2000 goblin points or more, which at a generous $1 = 10 goblin point conversion would cost you $200 for an item. Under the current proposal most decent magic items are costing $40-$60 and some of that cost has to cover the cost of the phyrep itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-70755007413541587242012-03-22T08:31:21.218-04:002012-03-22T08:31:21.218-04:00If there was established prices and you bought the...If there was established prices and you bought them through your local chapter and they were LCO. I could approve. As it stands, I do not.Jeremy Reelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-27560420270944099882012-03-21T21:24:43.723-04:002012-03-21T21:24:43.723-04:00Comedy gold my friend. Comedy gold.Comedy gold my friend. Comedy gold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-78185503371467756152012-03-21T21:08:14.586-04:002012-03-21T21:08:14.586-04:00It's... Complicated.
As are most Joe Polici...It's... Complicated. <br /><br />As are most Joe Policies. There was no approval process. He just threw that shit out there. Hilarity ensues!<br /><br />You could probably justify keeping the tags, but it's definitely going to be weird and I expect people will steal it anyways. There are no rules anywhere that tell people that they can't.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10979935681444364292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-59545362695931654782012-03-21T20:57:24.430-04:002012-03-21T20:57:24.430-04:00@Bill So Chapters should, in fact, NOT be selling ...@Bill So Chapters should, in fact, NOT be selling magic items? This is so confusing. @D jurns no worries, I don't think I am. Not THAT much money anyways. @Jenn I agree with everything you have said there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-49650375235834240282012-03-21T20:29:17.922-04:002012-03-21T20:29:17.922-04:00While it's a little complicated...
The answer...While it's a little complicated...<br /><br />The answer is no. Chapters should not be selling items.<br /><br />While they might not get suspended for it because of that post, I think there's a fair chance that those items may disappear.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10979935681444364292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-37266567786452204902012-03-21T20:26:44.751-04:002012-03-21T20:26:44.751-04:00I'm confused....there are chapters selling thi...I'm confused....there are chapters selling things like +3 swords....3/day items, etc...<br /><br />Can they do that? No?<br /><br />Thanks (and love you honey)<br /><br />JennAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-87690008032999851032012-03-21T19:18:55.138-04:002012-03-21T19:18:55.138-04:00Old News.
BTW, please be aware that a lot of stuf...Old News.<br /><br />BTW, please be aware that a lot of stuff in that post isn't really legitimate national rulings. Chapter's can't sell items - only national. This prevents any kind of bidding wars and allows national to control the number of items sold.<br /><br />The stuff about unstealable is bupkis. There's no way they can mark it as unstealable on the item. Good luck enforcing it.<br /><br />Also, 3 effect items are trash, and most of the ones they offer are crappy. The only one that would really affect PvP is the death pendant. <br /><br />@Beth<br /><br />National will enforce selling a phys rep, with the exception for weapons, armor, or shields. Those items are very personalized, and spending money on a sword that swings for shit or a shield that doesn't cover your shoulder would make the customer angry.<br /><br />Truthfully, this isn't a "the sky is falling" moment. I could care less. No one purchasing an item that gives them 3 flame bolts is going to make my game more or less fun.<br /><br />Finally, I would caution any chapter that has decided to start selling these items - Joe's post was on the general forum, which doesn't actually constitute national policy. Only posts made on the announcement page are legitimate decrees. There's still a lot of talk on the chapter owner's boards, indicating that details have not been worked out.<br /><br />However, if you still want to go for it despite this fact, rock on.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10979935681444364292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-37070581980985117232012-03-21T18:45:46.197-04:002012-03-21T18:45:46.197-04:00Anyways:
1) I don't have a deep problem with t...Anyways:<br />1) I don't have a deep problem with the idea in principle, but the test as written is, frankly, appalling.<br />1.a) I don't have many magic items (I now have two, one of which is 5/ever) and it hasn't destroyed my game. Other people run around with all their slots full of five-effect items, and that hasn't ruined my game either. If the chapters want to make a little extra cash by selling magic items, I'm OK with that.<br />1.b) While I don't have a problem with the idea theoretically, I'm opposed to it practically. Sold items can't come out of treasure distribution: that really does screw the poorer player. We can't say, "you bought an item, so you aren't eligible for getting one IG," since that's really, really stupid. <br /><br /><br />2) If, however, this is going to happen, I'd recommend a few guidelines:<br />2.a) All sold items should be LCO. This a) prevents National from selling items, which I'm fine with, and b) eliminates the possibility of pricing wars between chapters. <br />2.b) Pricing guidelines need to be set.<br />2.c) Vague language like "you absolutely must have a nice phys-rep . . ." is absurd. If the goal is to improve the overall production quality of the game, than unspecific wording is the enemy. Honestly, unspecific wording is basically always an enemy. What I consider a "nice phys-rep" and what some else considers a "nice phys-rep" may be miles apart.<br />2.d) National should not, under any circumstances, be selling items, under the same logic that all items should be LCO. <br /><br />Although I don't know that I'd go so far as to classify it as sinister or immoral, I do think that it's probably a net negative for the game.D. Jurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00364840138811705718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-52509515571353558242012-03-21T17:40:28.245-04:002012-03-21T17:40:28.245-04:00Ben, if you give that bitch 1,200 dollars I will s...Ben, if you give that bitch 1,200 dollars I will shoot her on principle.D. Jurnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00364840138811705718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-28547875474726235822012-03-21T17:05:53.186-04:002012-03-21T17:05:53.186-04:00So here's a question.
Say you roll me, and I ...So here's a question.<br /><br />Say you roll me, and I perm. You can't steal the item.<br /><br />Soo... it just lays there on the ground for two years? Because no one can, inexplicably, figure out how to pick it up?<br /><br />National throws it on the ground?Stephenhttp://dreamonworld.atspace.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-66081205330429354892012-03-21T17:04:38.141-04:002012-03-21T17:04:38.141-04:00Reading the rules, it seems to me that you can sel...Reading the rules, it seems to me that you can sell tags but not phys reps. <br /><br />7. Under the following PURCHASE limits (We want everyone to have a good time but we also do not want our storylines, mysteries and adversaries to be ‘walked over’ because of an over abundance of formal magic components, production equipment and magic items);<br />a. Absolutely must have nice phys-rep for the item.<br />b. Please, no selling just the tag without verification of a proper phys-rep.<br />c. Phys-reps for swords, armor, shields, etc. are usually made by the buyer, and therefore should be made in-game and not be purchasable for cash.<br /><br /><br />That seems to me to be saying that you can sell the tag to someone who already has a phys rep, but selling the phys reps themselves is against the new rules. Am I correct?Beth J.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-65705255780620410252012-03-21T17:02:49.081-04:002012-03-21T17:02:49.081-04:00lol@mark.. nicelol@mark.. niceSarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17408608791340085819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-86139654956045621332012-03-21T16:47:42.639-04:002012-03-21T16:47:42.639-04:00Not steal-able irks me. You can kill me with the i...Not steal-able irks me. You can kill me with the item but if I win I don't get the item... If they want it to be spirit locked fine, do that and make it count against your spirit effect limit.<br /><br /><br />"I don't always kill a PC, but when I do... I want his items" <br /><br />- MarkMark Henry ~Mariusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7781060643507162251.post-24394347515223333152012-03-21T16:34:41.804-04:002012-03-21T16:34:41.804-04:00I agree totally with what Jenn posted.
Imho, it s...I agree totally with what Jenn posted.<br /><br />Imho, it seems incredibly sinister. <br />Where are the funds going to go to?<br />What third party is in charge of tracking funds?<br />How are you going to keep the mass acquireing of items ingame?<br />What are you going to do when half of the populace is disenchanted with nero because it has suddenly become a rich mans sport?<br />How are you going to keep poor players on an equal gain playing field with those who have money?<br /><br />Really, this is the most immoral and self destructive policy I've yet seen come into play. <br />/mourn Nero.<br />The turning point is now.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17408608791340085819noreply@blogger.com